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 Post subject: Poor Man's XX1
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:05 am 
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http://wolftoothcomponents.com/ Wolf Tooth components 104 BCD XX1 style chainring.

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http://bbgbashguard.com/ BBG "Bashwich" inner chain guard and bash guard.

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The stock XT setup with 44/32/24

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The Wolf/BBG Bashwich setup

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Dropped .75 lb.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 8:08 am 
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Looking good.

How is the functionality?



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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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It's too wet to ride trails, so no real test yet. Shifting is very good. I took three whole links out of the chain. It should help with controlling it in the little cogs.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 12:29 pm 
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Did you get a clutch derailleur, or do you stick with the old XT?


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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Stuck with the old XT. I spent an hour doing a full write up and hit submit before copying everything and lost all the text that explained everything. I'll write it again when I get time.

Basically, my options were:

1. Full XX1 @ $2k - 1 lb reduction and 36T/10x42
2. XX type 2 or XTR shadow + drive train and Wolf ring @ $500 - .85 lb reduction 34T/11x36
3. XO or XT shadow + drivetrain and Wolf ring @ $350 - .8 lb reduction 34T/11x36
4. Zee drivetrain and Wolf ring @ $300 - .75 lb reduction 34T/11x36
5. Keep 9 spd XT and Wolf ring/BBG Bashwich @ $108 - .75 lb reduction 32T/11x34

I might regret not having a 34x11 or 36x11, but it's just not worth the extra cash. I rode in a simulated single speed mode a couple times and it's not that much slower by coasting when the big gears are occasionally needed.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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Ahh ok, I thought your main goal was functionality.
Since it's weight reduction, I see your point.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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Functionality is very important. So is simplicity. So is weight reduction. So in ROI.

So I lose 10 seconds every five miles by not having bigger and smaller gears - big deal - my life doesn't change for the better.

80% of the functionality and benefit for 1/20th the cost? I'll take that.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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I didn't mean the gear range, but that you omitted a clutch derailleur ;)

I'm all for the classic gear range, if it fits your terrain.
I just made a 11-34, 9 speed cassette with 10 speed spacing, for the same reasons, as it suits my riding ok. I may make a 10T cog for it, but that's it. It's either a 10T or a 38T. I just have no reason to go below 1:1, and 34T rings are as big as I find useful on a 24".
I like the el-cheapo Zee clutch though.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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I like the Zee too, but I'd have to get new shifter, chain, cassette and derailleur. If I had a 10 speed setup already, I'd have gone with the Zee derailleur/shifter for a hundo.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:44 pm 
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You can keep the chain and cassette, by running an old 9 speed Sram shifter with the Zee derailleur, if you happen to one in the parts bin.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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All Shimano.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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Magura wrote:
You can keep the chain and cassette, by running an old 9 speed Sram shifter with the Zee derailleur, if you happen to one in the parts bin.


Any X5/X7/X9 9sp SRAM shifter? :thinking:


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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Sti wrote:
Magura wrote:
You can keep the chain and cassette, by running an old 9 speed Sram shifter with the Zee derailleur, if you happen to one in the parts bin.


Any X5/X7/X9 9sp SRAM shifter? :thinking:


Yes.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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Very nice. Did the wolf tooth require any filing of the crank spider? When you have time, could you get a closeup of how it interfaces to the spider?

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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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I thought they included spacers to keep from filing the spider. Or is this a specific spider?

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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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Never mind! Just noticed you have the 32t version. I thought you purchased the 30t model at first.

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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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No, no, yes!


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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Got to get out and ride 10 miles at race pace and 10 miles at Group pace today and the Wolf tooth ring and BBG guards worked flawlessly. It did make me a little nervous that after the first 10 miles with the group I checked and the guard cut into the shelter that I had put on the chain stay right behind the rings. I don't think it made its way through the shelter and into the frame, but, I just bent the guard a little bit to get a little bit of a wobble out of it and now it's got plenty of clearance. Taking the three links out also really helped to control the chain slap. The set up is really quiet.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 10:02 pm 
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Got pics of the final setup? Perhaps something showing the clearance to the CS?


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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The clearance was razor thin when I put it together. I figured it would be fine. It was muddy out, so, I'm guessing some mud got up there and acted like sandpaper. No biggie. Like I said, I just pulled it in and bent it in toward the chainring and it was fine. This is the 32T. Absolutely the biggest ring with this setup.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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Oh, and the last two pics are to show off the shelter.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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Wmac wrote:
Oh, and the last two pics are to show off the shelter.

My order arrived today so I put it on my downtube and chainstay this evening. Looks nice! Thank you for the suggestion. I eventually plan to go with an XX1 style chainring up front (and a clutch derailleur) and remove the inner and outer bash. That makes me real nervous on a carbon frame. Since I have some Shelter left over, I'll coat the top of the BB shell and the side of the seat tube with it in case the chain ever does drop on the inside.

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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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That's sure a tight setup.
Thanks for the pics.


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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Yeah, I'm not worried. It's a hack, I know. It works though :)


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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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Here is poor man's 42T granny sprocket.

http://enduro-mtb.com/en/pressrelease-t ... -sprocket/

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 Post subject: Re: Poor Man's XX1
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Sti wrote:
Here is poor man's 42T granny sprocket.

http://enduro-mtb.com/en/pressrelease-t ... -sprocket/

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I like! There's a gaping hole right now in large-range non-XX1 cassettes. Most of the options are more expensive or (from what I've read) unreliable. Glad to see another option out there.

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